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There are various choices for elevating development capital for established startups. With all the eye paid to enterprise capital, we generally neglect that the overwhelming majority of corporations are usually not funded that manner. Income-based financing has been round for greater than a decade and it’s a good different for sure sorts of corporations.
My subsequent visitor on the Fintech One-on-One Podcast is Melissa Widner, the CEO of Lighter Capital, a pioneer within the revenue-based financing house. We study how this house works, what sorts of corporations it really works greatest for and the way Lighter Capital has turn out to be one of many market leaders.
On this podcast you’ll be taught:
- How she first obtained concerned with Lighter Capital.
- What attracted her to the CEO function.
- What it’s like operating a fintech firm from Australia.
- The totally different nations the place they’re set as much as lend.
- How revenue-based financing works (that was pioneered by Lighter).
- The sorts of corporations which are of their candy spot.
- The scale and phrases of their financing.
- How their underwriting works.
- Why most revenue-based financing lenders are usually not actually doing revenue-based finance.
- The influence of the enterprise capital downturn on Lighter Capital.
- How the collapse of Silicon Valley Financial institution impacted demand for capital.
- Their historic loss price.
- How mortgage demand has been general in 2023.
- What it was like renewing their credit score facility in the summertime.
- Melissa’s imaginative and prescient for the way forward for Lighter Capital.
Learn a transcript of our dialog beneath.
Peter Renton 00:01
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Peter Renton 01:21
At present on the present, I’m delighted to welcome Melissa Widner. She is the CEO of Lighter Capital. So I wished to get Melissa on the present as a result of Lighter have been round for a very long time, they mainly invented income based mostly financing, and I’ve by no means had them on the present, so I wished to get Melissa on. We clearly discuss concerning the firm and their historical past, we discuss somewhat bit about how Melissa turned concerned. We clearly discuss concerning the sorts of corporations they work with, the kind of financing they do. We discuss concerning the influence of the pullback in enterprise capital and much more importantly, the influence of Silicon Valley Financial institution and the way that modified their enterprise. We discuss loss charges, credit score amenities, and far more. It was a captivating dialogue. Hope you benefit from the present.
Peter Renton 02:15
Welcome to the podcast, Melissa.
Melissa Widner 02:17
Thanks, Peter. It’s nice to be right here.
Peter Renton 02:19
Nice to see you. Why don’t we get began by giving the listeners somewhat little bit of background about your self. Inform us a few of the highlights of your profession earlier than Lighter Capital?
Melissa Widner 02:30
Okay, properly, I might think about myself at first an entrepreneur. I ran a, and began a few corporations that each had good exits. After which I turned a enterprise capitalist and I used to be working within the US in a enterprise, in a enterprise capital agency. After which in 2009, I moved to Australia with an Australian husband, and ended up serving to launch and was the managing associate for NAB Ventures Nationwide Australia Financial institution’s enterprise fund. We did all fintech investments, a lot of the ones, a lot of the investments that I labored on immediately have been in US corporations. And in 2018, we invested together with Silicon Valley Financial institution in Lighter, and I went on their board, and in 2020, I turned Lighter Capital CEO.
Peter Renton 03:14
Okay, and so that you you’re truly in Sydney proper now, I do know that we have been…
Melissa Widner 03:19
I’m in Sydney proper now, which is uncommon. I’ve been within the US largely within the final six months, however I’m in Sydney.
Peter Renton 03:24
You occur to be within the suburb subsequent to the place I used to dwell. Mosman, for these individuals who know Sydney, it’s a stunning, pretty a part of town. So inform us somewhat bit about the way you sort of first obtained concerned with Lighter and what what led to you taking up the CEO?
Melissa Widner 03:43
So I we first obtained concerned in Lighter when NAB, Nationwide Australia Financial institution, made a enterprise funding into the corporate in 2018. Lighter Capital began in 2009. And the enterprise mannequin actually resonated with me, as a result of I used to be an entrepreneur, additionally an angel investor, and a enterprise capitalist. And there’s such a necessity for this different type of financing. And I, you understand, I skilled that and noticed that up shut, as we all know enterprise capitalists fund a very small share of companies. The determine that’s thrown out essentially the most typically is 1%, when it comes to 1% of expertise companies, but it surely’s what will get all of the press. So in case you’re beginning an organization within the tech house, a whole lot of occasions individuals assume that their solely path to funding is enterprise, however in actuality enterprise funds such a small share of corporations. So the enterprise mannequin of funding these, these corporations with income that want development capital that perhaps aren’t prepared but for enterprise or won’t ever wish to do enterprise, it actually resonated with me. So Nationwide Australia Financial institution and Silicon Valley Financial institution invested in 2018. I, you understand, preferred the corporate much more after investing and getting extra concerned on the board aspect than I did pre-investment which generally isn’t all the time the case once you’re in enterprise and also you get entangled within the firm. I’d by no means been concerned in an organization whose clients love them this a lot. And it’s truly straightforward to be cherished once you’re offering financing. And it’s really easy to acquire in comparison with going, you understand, down a typical capital elevating path that may take months or years. I turned the CEO in 2020. We had to usher in a brand new CEO, we had a CEO who was there for a fairly brief time who got here in in 2019. Actually good man, didn’t have a lending background, although. And we would have liked to interchange the CEO. And in 2020, I simply love the corporate and utilized for the function and moved from board member to CEO, so I’ve been there for somewhat over three years in that capability.
Peter Renton 05:44
So what’s it like operating an American fintech firm from Australia?
Melissa Widner 05:50
Yeah, properly, it’s fascinating, as a result of if it hadn’t been like the center of COVID, I might by no means would have thought this was doable. And pre COVID, Seattle was very a lot or Lighter Capital was very a lot a pre COVID firm, when it comes to the workforce was multi function workplace, they’d rent any person from New York, to run New York and require that they moved to Seattle to do it. So, you understand, there was the thought that you just all people needed to come into an workplace and work collectively every single day for the corporate to be efficient. And we discovered after COVID hit, that’s not the case. That mentioned, I spend near half my time within the US. However you understand, not essentially in Seattle, we’ve funding administrators throughout. So sometimes, after I’m within the US, I’m not even in Seattle, and at this level Lighter Capital has workforce members in 9 totally different nations.
Peter Renton 06:37
Wow. Wow. And do you? I imply, I feel I used to be studying someplace you even have operations in Australia now. Are you lending to Australian companies?
Melissa Widner 06:44
Yeah, we launched in 2021. So it’s been virtually three years that we’ve been funding corporations in Australia.
Peter Renton 06:52
Okay. And so is it, Australia, the US? Is there some other? Canada as properly?
Melissa Widner 06:57
And Canada.
Peter Renton 06:58
Yep. Okay.
Melissa Widner 06:59
In Canada, after which we additionally will take a look at corporations from New Zealand, a whole lot of the businesses, so long as they’ve operations in one of many nations the place we’re set as much as lend, which is Australia, Canada and the US, then we are able to fund them. So a whole lot of the businesses that we fund, their headquarters could be based mostly in a type of areas, however their operations are some other place.
Peter Renton 07:20
Properly, perhaps you may clarify the product and the way how the financing works, simply so we are able to all sort of be clear about what Lighter Capital does precisely.
Melissa Widner 07:29
Yeah. So we do income based mostly financing, Lighter Capital is the pioneer on this house. Since 2009, we’ve finished over 1000 rounds of financing, supported over 500 corporations. Most corporations take a number of rounds from us, however the best way it really works, it’s a quite simple software course of. I’ll begin with, you understand, the the minimal necessities for an organization to obtain our funding is that they’ve no less than $200,000 in annual recurring income. And we prefer to see that from quite a lot of totally different clients. So there’s not buyer focus. It’s sometimes recurring income, it doesn’t, which doesn’t essentially imply it’s contracted income, but it surely’s very predictable and coming from, you understand, the identical clients who’re shopping for the product again and again. The precise software course of is fairly easy. It takes about 10 minutes to fill out our software. Properly, our pre-qualification software takes 45 seconds, see in case you could be a match, and that’s on Lighter Capital.com/apply. However our software takes 10 to fifteen minutes, you understand, and we hook up with the checking account, the accounting platform, and the billing platform for purchasers utilizing one, and we we mainly make our credit score decisioning based mostly on the info. So you understand, in comparison with, I used to be in enterprise, I pitched to enterprise. That may take months, it’s sort of a black field, you don’t know in case you’re gonna get funded. That is quite simple, you may get a solution, normally inside a few days. And funding inside a few weeks.
Peter Renton 09:00
So then what sorts of corporations, the best way you describe it there that’s fairly broad, and there’s a lot of corporations which have $200,000 or extra in recurring income. What sorts of corporations, what sorts of industries are you largely centered on?
Melissa Widner 09:13
We’re not trade particular, most however not all of our corporations are B2B SaaS corporations.
Peter Renton 09:19
Okay, what sorts of corporations are usually not a superb match? I imply, do you…like they may have the recurring income however for no matter purpose, they don’t move your your underwriting take a look at is that this type of a candy spot for who’s one of the best match?
Melissa Widner 09:31
Um, the candy spot are sometimes expertise corporations, like I mentioned, B2B SaaS,. When it comes to who wouldn’t be a match, um, it’s extra if an organization doesn’t have runway, we’ll get corporations coming to us once they have two weeks or a month of money left and that’s sometimes not a match. We wish to see longer runway, we wish to see you understand, even with our capital, we wish to see longer runway, corporations which have one buyer, you understand, one or two clients aren’t a match, as a result of we’re counting on income to be paid again. So the best way that our product works, we’ve two merchandise, we’ve a typical time period mortgage. And we even have a income based mostly financing product. And our income based mostly financing product, it really works the place an organization pays us a share of their money collected income till the mortgage is paid off. In order that they don’t pay, they’ve a set quantity that they’re going to pay us again. However the price at which they pay us again relies on how shortly they develop. So in the event that they develop sooner, they don’t pay us again extra of it, we receives a commission again sooner, which is nice for us, as a result of then we’ve a better IRR, and that finally ends up being extra worthwhile. And in the event that they develop slower, or they exit of enterprise, we perhaps don’t even recuperate the cash that we put out the door. However so we search for corporations which have quite a lot of clients and low churn. However that mentioned, you understand, a few of the corporations we discover have actually excessive churn, however they’re good at changing it.
Peter Renton 10:59
Okay, what concerning the the standard financing phrases? Like what’s the dimensions of the funding raised, what’s the common sort of payback time interval, and the rate of interest?
Melissa Widner 11:05
We’ll fund wherever from $50,000, all the best way as much as $4 million. And when it comes to sizing, we’ll sometimes go as much as, for smaller corporations, and we might name a smaller firm, an organization with beneath $3 million in annual recurring income, we may fund a 3rd of their income. So consider an organization doing say 1,000,000 {dollars}, we may discover $350,000 – 400,000. And as they develop, they’ll take extra. So if their income grows to $2 million, you understand, they’ll they’ll qualify for as much as $600,000 or $700,000. And once they’re over $3 million in income, we are able to fund as much as half of their recurring income. So firm doing $4 million may entry $2 million in capital. When it comes to the phrases, we are able to do brief time period, which is usually one yr, as much as long run, which could be 3/4+ years. Firms, relying on their money wants, if it’s only a bridging want, they could be on the lookout for brief time period. And the pricing relies on the danger of the corporate. So if an organization type of sits in a median threat situation, and so they’re on the lookout for funding for, say, a yr, that may sometimes be round a 1.1. So I offer you $1. Peter, you’re going to pay me again $1.10. If it’s over a yr, if it’s over three years, you understand, it could be value $1.30 to $1.40.
Peter Renton 12:29
On the subject of your underwriting then, I presume you might have, you’re taking a look at all the info that you just talked concerning the accounting information, the checking account information, that type of factor. How large is your underwriting field? And the way strict are, like I’m simply sort of attempting to get a way of that strategy of underwriting. How do you go about that?
Melissa Widner 12:48
Properly, for corporations which are typical B2B, SaaS, it’s fairly easy. We’ve got a, we’ve expertise that we’ve constructed, the algorithm has been perfected over the past decade plus, the place we’re taking in all the info. A few of it’s from the applying, however most of it’s from the banking information and the accounting information and the billing information. And that produces a threat ranking rating. And, and that’s fairly easy. Now, there’s a whole lot of corporations that don’t neatly match into the field. After which in that situation, our underwriters would possibly, with our funding administrators, who’re our individuals who work immediately with the businesses, would possibly dig in somewhat bit extra to say this, you understand, this doesn’t match neatly into our credit score field. However you understand, can we get? Can we perceive the enterprise somewhat bit extra, so we are able to perhaps work out if it’s one thing we may fund?
Peter Renton 13:39
So then, I feel you mentioned like, Lighter Capital actually was the primary sort of income based mostly financing, fintech lender, and we’ve had the founder communicate at our occasions through the years, however nowadays, it looks like there’s fairly a number of income based mostly financing corporations on the market, do individuals perceive the idea now? Do it’s a must to clarify it each time? I imply, the time period mortgage individuals get that, do your clients, and your traders for that matter, does everybody get it now?
Melissa Widner 14:08
Properly, a whole lot of corporations name themselves income based mostly financing, that aren’t essentially income based mostly financing, the place if a cost is fastened, which is a lot of the corporations in our house that decision themselves income based mostly financing, they’ve a set cost. And that’s not what we might name income based mostly financing. Income based mostly financing, the cost relies on the income, the money collected income, and why that’s actually useful to an organization is that in case your money is lumpy, your money collections take a dip. For some purpose. You’ve obtained that draw back safety, you don’t have an onerous, you understand, mortgage cost to make in a month the place you’re not gathering a whole lot of money. And we noticed that basically come into play in COVID. The place, you understand, we had some corporations whose income actually in a single day, you understand, declined 70/80, even 90%. We had an organization within the meals supply enterprise for company. So they might, you understand, present lunch, you understand, consider Google. Google has their very own cafeteria, consider corporations that don’t have their very own cafeteria and so they present lunch. So that you think about what occurred to that firm throughout COVID, their revenues declined 90%. Properly the quantity they have been paying us declined 90%. In order that they have been in a position to get by means of that point. We had one other firm that was a ticketing firm, identical factor, they’re, they’re a fantastic firm, they have been rising like a rocket ship and COVID hit. Their revenues are a share of ticket gross sales for occasions, their clients are occasion venues, their revenues declined so much throughout COVID. They’re again on that rocket ship once more. However they didn’t, you understand, they weren’t burdened by this huge, you understand, mortgage cost, as a result of it was depending on their money collected income.
Peter Renton 15:57
So then, you understand, it’s no secret that enterprise capital has been tight, far more tight than it has been within the 2020-2021 timeframe. And I however I’m inquisitive about the truth that as a result of enterprise capital cash has been so tight, has that been a superb factor for you guys? Or is that, how has that influence you if in any respect?
Melissa Widner 16:19
We’re seeing much more within the final yr than we’ve ever seen within the, you understand, 13/14 yr historical past of Lighter Capital, of enterprise backed corporations coming to us. Usually a whole lot of occasions our corporations will go on and get enterprise backing. In actual fact, we spend a whole lot of time serving to our corporations try this. A number of our direct traders are enterprise capitalists, a whole lot of our networks are enterprise capitalists, so we truly spend a whole lot of time with our corporations who wish to go down that path, serving to them with their pitch decks, after which serving to them with heat introductions to traders. So I don’t wish to I don’t wish to give the impression that that is an both or, as a result of it’s not the case. However what we’re seeing greater than we’ve prior to now, sometimes, if an organization was on that enterprise path, you understand, they’re type of finished with income based mostly financing, they’re now happening that path the place okay, it’s, we’re going to extend our gross sales and lift the subsequent spherical at a better valuation, enhance gross sales, increase the subsequent spherical at a better valuation, and so they’re on a really totally different path. However what we’ve seen within the final yr is corporations that had raised enterprise financing, nonetheless are rising , however as a result of they perhaps raised it in 2021, when valuations have been a lot increased than they’re at the moment, they’re coming again. They usually’re coming to us and doing a income based mostly financing spherical as a result of they don’t wish to, they don’t wish to do a priced spherical on this setting. In order that’s the that’s the actual distinction is seeing extra enterprise backed corporations taking a look at this different.
Peter Renton 17:40
So I wish to discuss Silicon Valley Financial institution. And it was sort of humorous, I bear in mind we had lunch in San Francisco on the Thursday when this entire factor was taking place and with our good buddies, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia.
Melissa Widner 17:53
And you understand the place I used to be going proper after that assembly, Peter, I used to be operating late from our lunch to go to a gathering at Silicon Valley Financial institution at their San Francisco headquarters.
Peter Renton 18:02
Proper. Proper. So that may have been an fascinating assembly I’m certain. So then, you understand, clearly they have been an enormous supplier of capital to the expertise house. And I do know that Silicon Valley Financial institution nonetheless does exist beneath its new homeowners. However I’m inquisitive about like, I’m certain for you. I feel you mentioned you had your financial institution accounts at Silicon Valley Financial institution, properly one among them.
Peter Renton 18:25
So I’m certain it was a significant disaster for Lighter Capital within the brief time period. However now, you understand, clearly, all of us obtained by means of these horrible 4 or 5 days the place we didn’t know what was gonna occur. How has that impacted you guys, notably I’m on the demand aspect?
Melissa Widner 18:25
Yeah.
Melissa Widner 18:40
Yeah, properly, it’s fascinating. Our chairman, Mark Verissimo, is ex-SVP, Silicon Valley Financial institution, and in reality, he was there for twenty-four years, and held virtually each C degree place throughout his time there apart from CEO, and his final job when he retired in 2016, was Chief Threat Officer. So he had so much to say, in reality, I’ve a podcast, a Lighter Capital podcast, the place we largely interview our Lighter Capital clients. However on this case, we did one with Mark shortly after SVB collapsed. And in reality, we’re doing one other one within the subsequent week to say type of eight months on what’s occurring within the banking trade. So so that is contemporary on my thoughts proper now. When it comes to the way it’s impacted us, these the 4 days have been actually hectic clearly, as a result of we banked there. SVB is an fairness investor in Lighter, in order that didn’t actually impact us. They’re an fairness investor. Fortunately, they weren’t the supplier of our capital. So our funding comes from a warehouse facility which is offered within the US by Apollo. And so fortunately, it wasn’t SVB or that may have been doubly hectic. It’s just about again to BAU. You already know, they play in a special house than we do, that’s actually financial institution enterprise debt. They’re taking a look at corporations which are enterprise backed and taking a look at funding, together with the enterprise spherical. So it’s by no means been a competitor to Lighter. It’s been actually complimentary. In actual fact, we refer a whole lot of offers to these sorts of corporations and vice versa. You already know, they’ll see a whole lot of corporations which are too early for his or her funding for what they’ll lend to, and so they’ll, they’ll refer them to Lighter. However when it comes to the market basically, that market has turn out to be actually aggressive. So when SVB blew up, and you understand, now they’re again to regular and appear to be working, you understand, the identical manner they did earlier than, earlier than March, beneath First Residents. However there’s a whole lot of different corporations that moved into the house. HSBC took a whole lot of ex-SVB individuals. Stifel took a whole lot of ex-SVB individuals, JP Morgan has been on this house for some time. First Ctizens with SVB continues to be actually lively. So what I’ve heard from my buddies in that house is that it’s only a dogfight. Very aggressive.
Peter Renton 20:55
Proper. Fascinating. Fascinating. So then, taking a look at your what you are promoting now, they’re operating in three totally different geographies, is the core providing the identical? Or do you sort of tailor your choices for you understand is it totally different in Canada and Australia than what it’s within the US?
Melissa Widner 21:12
No, B2B SaaS corporations have the identical wants in Australia as they do within the US. And it was fascinating. We’ve got to have a separate warehouse facility supplier right here than than our US one. And, you understand, the US facility wished to see, okay, let’s see if Australia actually works the identical manner because the US. And you understand, it seems, it does.
Peter Renton 21:35
That’s good to listen to. Good to listen to. Okay, so then I wish to discuss losses. And, you understand, clearly you’ve been doing this for some time. So that you’ve obtained a reasonably lengthy monitor file, you’ve additionally finished it by means of some tumultuous occasions. However are you able to give us a way of type of the standard loss price that your portfolio undergoes?
Melissa Widner 21:59
Lighter Capital has a 1.6% historic loss price.
Peter Renton 22:03
Wow, that’s actually low. You have to be extra aggressive once you lend?
Melissa Widner 22:07
Properly, that’s the query, proper? Yeah.
Peter Renton 22:11
How did that change throughout the pandemic?
Melissa Widner 22:14
Properly, COVID truly had the, in case you take a look at the the loss price throughout COVID, it was virtually nothing. And that’s as a result of we might we do mannequin in losses, that we are going to have losses. What we noticed in COVID, is that corporations, and sometimes when we’ve losses is when an organization goes out of enterprise, so you understand, simply doesn’t work for no matter purpose, they’re out of enterprise. And what occurred, and bear in mind we’re not with these corporations eternally. We’re with them for a yr. I imply, a whole lot of corporations take a number of rounds. So we’ve examples of the place we have been with them for, you understand, eight plus years. However, you understand, our typical mortgage period is three years. So what occurred throughout COVID is corporations that perhaps weren’t doing properly earlier than COVID hit, and you understand, wouldn’t have gotten the subsequent spherical of financing didn’t have sufficient funding to outlive. They obtained these PPP loans and different authorities grants. And, and so they ended up surviving. So we truly had, which is bizarrely decrease, a lot decrease loss charges throughout COVID. And it was one factor, it’s fascinating, we have been simply, you understand, we put collectively a pitch deck, type of at first of this yr and speaking to some traders, our losses for 2021 was like $2,000. And you then’re exhibiting our projected losses for the yr, as a result of we had, you understand, we had recoveries, and also you’ll write one thing off after which recuperate, you understand, however we’re exhibiting projected losses which are regular historic charges going ahead. And we’ve traders saying why are losses going to go up a lot? We had $2,000 in that yr, it simply, so it was, it had you understand, the alternative occurred then what we thought would occur. We thought when COVID hit, that it will, that losses would actually be so much increased than we had traditionally.
Peter Renton 24:04
Proper. So then what about demand? I imply B2B SaaS appears to be a very wholesome sector. We’re coming in direction of the top of 2023. What’s demand been like this yr in comparison with earlier years?
Melissa Widner 24:18
So this yr, the primary half of this yr in comparison with final yr, was decrease, and what we, we’re cash that you’d take to develop. So it’s a lot inexpensive than fairness, but it surely’s nonetheless costly. You already know, you’re taking debt, you’re paying again greater than you’re borrowing. So it’s tremendous low-cost in comparison with fairness, in comparison with promoting fairness. However in case you’re not going to take that cash to develop, it doesn’t make sense. So there was a whole lot of uncertainty. I imply, there’s nonetheless uncertainty. There was a whole lot of uncertainty within the first half of the yr and I’ve seen and going into Q3, we’re seeing an enormous pickup on this quarter. However the first half of the yr was slower than final yr. And I feel that, you understand, we take a look at why our typical buyer involves us, you understand, we don’t fund corporations who want cash to outlive, they’re going to die as a result of they’ll’t make payroll, you understand, they’re not going to qualify for our funding. We’re funding corporations that you understand, have a powerful buyer base, low churn, and so they perhaps wish to rent, placed on some extra salespeople, they wish to develop a brand new product, or there’s one thing, there’s some cash they’re looking for so as to develop. So when there’s uncertainty round development, corporations, you understand, naturally type of pull again as you understand, the great ones naturally type of pull again and say, Okay, let’s work out what’s going to occur right here. Let’s see what’s occurring out there. And I feel we noticed that within the first half of the yr.
Peter Renton 25:43
You talked about your credit score facility, and Apollo, clearly a fairly large identify within the house. And I’m curious if this was, I examine it in August, I don’t know when that truly once you closed it, however how was that strategy of elevating the brand new facility? And I imply, is that this one thing that, like, I observed that there’s no banks that appears like within the credit score facility that, in response to the article I learn, so inform us somewhat bit concerning the course of, and who’s type of collaborating in that credit score facility?
Melissa Widner 26:14
So we’re funded by a division of Apollo that, that’s their enterprise, is to supply credit score amenities to different lenders, they have been the identical supplier we had earlier than we renewed in July. So we’ve been with them now, about two and a half years. And I might say, it was a, we’ve an extended monitor file and a very good monitor file. In order that’s useful, as a result of once you’re going out to boost a facility, particularly in a tighter market like this, that’s all that issues. You already know, they’re not within the story, they’re considering your information – present us what you’ve finished. You already know, it’s an entire, it’s a lot totally different due diligence course of than, say, elevating enterprise capital, as a result of it’s all backward wanting, virtually. I might say 98% is backward wanting versus ahead wanting. They usually’re on the lookout for an extended monitor file. So from that standpoint, you understand, it was comparatively straightforward. However that mentioned, it was a a lot totally different market than it was two years in the past in 2021, simply because there’s a whole lot of, you understand, particularly in case you consider the time that we have been renewing our facility was in Q2, as a result of the renewal was up in July, or the renewal time was in July, that was a horrible time out there for credit score. SVB had simply collapsed. So it was not one of the best time to be on the market, in all probability. I might have preferred to have had extra funds competing for it that manner. However with that mentioned, we’ve um, Apollo has been an unimaginable associate to work with. We’re actually fortunate as a result of that partnership is so necessary. I feel till you run a credit score fund, you don’t recognize a credit score, a lending firm, you don’t recognize how necessary that relationship. It’s a a lot deeper relationship than most corporations would have with, say, their enterprise supplier, as a result of they’re primarily offering our product.
Peter Renton 27:59
Yeah.
Melissa Widner 27:59
We don’t have a product if we don’t have that. Yeah, it’s the product.
Peter Renton 28:03
Sure, certainly. Okay. So final query, then, what’s your imaginative and prescient for the way forward for Lighter Capital? The place are you taking this?
Melissa Widner 28:10
Like I mentioned earlier, you understand, Lighter has a very sturdy relationship with the shoppers. We are saying we’re greater than cash. And we actually are greater than cash. That is, you understand, this isn’t the place you’re going simply to get cash to fund what you are promoting. However it’s to hitch a group of different CEOs we’ve. We funded over we’ve finished over 1100 rounds of financing, we’ve a group of tons of of B2B SaaS CEOs, and a whole lot of them are in the identical boat. So that is the place to return to search out out what’s happening in B2B SaaS to you understand, construct your group round others, you understand, B2B SaaS CEOs, we’ve CEO teams, we’ve our CEO Summit, we’ve a bunch of different perks which are out there for our corporations. And we are also, we’ve simply launched one thing that’s fairly thrilling referred to as Lighter Analytics in our servicing portal. You already know, we’ve all the info on all of our corporations, as a result of we’re plugged into their accounting platform and their banking platform, and their billing methods. So we’re now giving them again their information in a manner that they’ll use it.
Peter Renton 29:12
Fascinating. Okay, Melissa, nice to talk with you. Actually loved our dialog. Thanks a lot for approaching the present.
Melissa Widner 29:18
Yeah. Thanks, Peter. Nice to be right here.
Peter Renton 29:22
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