Hello guys, welcome to the Fintech Espresso Break. I’m your host, Isabelle Castro. This week, I sat down with Tim Astanov, SVP of product commercialization and partnerships at Tabapay to speak concerning the firm’s help of digital tipping platforms.
This was a comparatively new space for me. So, we delved into the significance tipping has on the financial system, how tipping platforms can change the lives of hundreds of thousands of workers. We additionally spoke about how Tabapay’s resolution can help these platforms, navigating the tough regulatory implications and bringing transparency to the system.
Hello, Tim, how are you at present?
Tim Astanov 0:45
Doing properly, how are you?
Isabelle Castro 0:46
I’m excellent. Thanks. It’s nice to reconnect.
Tim Astanov 0:49
Sure, it’s been some time. Sure. Thanks for having me.
Isabelle Castro 0:52
Properly, I’m actually glad to have you ever on the present. I’ve been wanting ahead to this. So to begin with my first query, what will get you up within the morning?
Tim Astanov 1:02
What will get me up within the morning, I’ve a Shih Tzu pet, which about six months outdated. So she are typically displaying up in my bed room about 5am or 530 or so. And since she’s too brief, she will be able to soar on the mattress fairly but. So she’s she’s nagging me to choose her up and put her into mattress. So she will be able to say hi there to folks. However no kidding apart is I take pleasure in fixing issues and challenges, I suppose. And so a part of my job is speaking to loads of companions and, and shoppers, in addition to inner inner shoppers. So potential to stand up within the morning and face one other difficulty, now we have loads of them within the fee house. That’s what will get me up within the morning.
Isabelle Castro 1:51
Good, good. Inform me about your journey to Tabapay.
Tim Astanov 1:56
Oh, that’s a loaded query. I spent roughly about 20 years or so. And I’m going to name it broadly banking and fee house. And previous to Java, which have joined about two and a half years in the past, now, I spent most of my time working for the cardboard networks, in addition to the issuers of playing cards. A part of the rationale of becoming a member of double pay was round, you in all probability will make me a extra properly rounded particular person within the fee house. If I have been to affix an buying web site, then I type of been an throughout it. In addition to attending to know RTP. As a result of I haven’t spent an entire lot of time on I’m going to name it conventional banking funds. That’s extra of a rationale of why. And with respect to the journey, I used to be lucky sufficient to know in my earlier capability, once I labored at visa, I spent a good period of time with co-founder group of double pay, in addition to noticed their efficiency of at the present time simply wanting on the inner information again in days. So the attraction was once more, from a logical perspective is to get to know buying and financial institution funds, in addition to the the the the my collaborations with a with a co founders of Tabapay, which made the businesses extra engaging.
Isabelle Castro 3:23
Good. Okay. So turning to Tabapay – it permits immediate or close to immediate it’s immediate, isn’t it funds for fintech innovators? Proper?
Tim Astanov 3:35
Yeah, we’re a mix of all every part. Which implies our we’re laser centered or traditionally have been laser centered on immediate and by immediate I’m referring to be playing cards transaction and it’s a query of how do you outline occasion so my definition of occasion, and I’m let me let you know what my definition of incident is. After which we will go from there. My definition of occasion, once you pushing the button as a shopper or a enterprise, and also you obtain or ship cash in actual time, and it’s deducted out of your account or it will get added to your account in actual time. In case you have a look at that, from that lens of the issues then we primarily immediate that means that we doing Consider us as a full stack buying which suggests we will we will help a purchase order transaction since you guys transaction can funding transaction in any flavour you’ll be able to consider these transaction sorts. That’s one cash in if you consider it from a enterprise perspective on the enterprise on the cash out. We help postcard capabilities and lately added internet new product that was developed by Visa known as visa plus, that’s particular to cart. Let’s revert again to the extra conventional financial institution funds so we help Ach, or we’ll sort ACH and this ACH is might be cash, it debits in addition to the ACH credit which is to be are typically sluggish. Decrease Proper, it’s the identical day subsequent day and never overlay that again to the moment piece is RTP. In an RTP world, you could have primarily credit score flows at present, that means that you could ship cash to anyone else as a enterprise. So we help RTP, in addition to a request for fee. Now, we function primarily in North America in North America isn’t actually fairly there but from a scale perspective and, and adoption. However we have been hoping that RFP will kick in sooner or later as properly with FedNow latest announcement and and so on. Once more, I feel most of our transaction, if you happen to have a look at purely from a quantity perspective, I might argue over 90% of the amount is immediate. And the remainder is that this the legacy rails that now we have to help.
Isabelle Castro 5:47
Okay. And also you’re centered primarily in the direction of fintechs. Proper?
Tim Astanov 5:53
Yeah, so I’ve once more, firm was in existence for about six years now. And I’ve joined the corporate about two and a half years in the past. So I didn’t get to, I’m not going to take a credit score of why fintech as a result of it’s been determined previous to me becoming a member of the corporate. However in the end, primarily based on my variety of dialog, why fintech why we persist with fintechs, at the least in the meanwhile, is throughout it, I’m speaking about conventional fintechs consider retail banking, consider retail lending and and so on. With out the financial institution constitution, that was the normal focus the place we give attention to and the explanation why we have been centered on the fintech house is there have been merely underserved. And it’s a it’s a complicated issues that they have been going through, in contrast to conventional recommendation, though the issues are related. However for them, it’s much more difficult as a result of they don’t have a battle constitution, particularly in United States the place you’ll be able to’t actually do something with out having a financial institution constitution. So we that’s the explanation primarily why we give attention to a fintech. I feel the definition of fintechs continues to broaden, it leases my world. I might argue there’s so many shoppers or not clients, however shoppers and verticals have gotten the fintechs. It’s an evolution of know-how. And once you begin embedding fee funds or playing cards or the rest into the inventory, then you definately in the end develop into a fintech in a technique or one other, though your core could be one thing else, retailer, and so on. So we at the least the highest of AFC in transferring away from it. I’m going to name it the true fintech and core as a result of we see the migration or evolution of fintech definition entering into totally different verticals. Therefore, we type of continued to personal this fintech observe, however the actuality is the fintech, the the world of fintech simply expanded considerably.
Isabelle Castro 7:49
Okay. And so your community of networks and banking Partnerships has expanded with it principally.
Tim Astanov 7:59
Sure, I feel it’s one option to describe it Sure.
Isabelle Castro 8:03
Okay. Cool. So one main a part of Tabapay, I’d say is that this community that you simply supply this shopper, to you supply to your shoppers? It’s one thing that we centered on throughout our panel earlier this 12 months. I feel it’s 15 banking companions and 14 networks throughout a number of geographies is big. Proper? Sure, yeah. It’s huge. Why is that this such a strong attribute to have, notably within the present macroeconomic local weather?
Tim Astanov 8:38
Yeah, that’s a it it is a very massive query. So let me parse it out in a few various things. I feel a, the explanation for the community connectivity, you’ll see loads of acquired processors or that together with our opponents, that which have a, I’m going to name it the multi market international focus. So for them, it’s all about pace to market to open up yet one more geography. And in that case, the main focus is primarily to companion with anyone else to be as a result of it’s inconceivable within the fee house to connect with lots of of networks around the globe. It’s too labour intensive, too, time consuming. So most of parents who’re entering into the house within the processing house, they have an inclination to outsource loads of community connectivity to anyone else. For individuals who are specializing in a sole geography or perhaps a handful of geographies. We’ve, we’ve to start with have been making decided that we’re going to be a vertically built-in course of processor and what it means we don’t wish to outsource something associated to the core of funds. We wish to management all of it and there’s a number of causes behind it. The one is vertical integration or management of your entire fee caught means you could have a excessive reliability due to decrease probability of breakage and and so on. We management every part. Oh Sal, Due to our give attention to networks, we, now we have to have a really refined again finish operations particularly to liquidity administration and Treasury. As a result of now we have to settle throughout a number of networks, we actually don’t get assist, so to talk from a 3rd get together who is definitely going to be related to the community. And the and the very last thing is once you minimize out the intermediary, so to talk, and once you handle your entire factor your self, meaning you extract extra financial worth from the normal fee chain, and and may present a superior efficiency at a decrease value. Okay, that’s, that’s that’s the important thing to it. I feel the fact is, when you We not solely did now we have a number of connections to the community, you additionally beginning to see as I depicted earlier, we’re not simply conventional inquire processor, we additionally help our typical, banks, and and so on. And all of that turns into a brilliant highly effective message to the market, as a result of it’s you connecting to a single participant that may nearly join you to any rail it hear, US and Canada. On the minimal, and you’ll mess around relying in your use case, would you like cash into your cash out? Would you like one use case solely or 15 consumer instances, every part might be carried out by way of a single connection to Tabapay by way of unified API with actually solely two API calls simply to validate the whether or not it’s a checking account or card quantity is actual, it’s taking its life. After which it’s really created transaction itself. And what it means is that I’ll take this validated fee credentials, and simply merely ship $50 to a fee credential, no matter it could be.
Isabelle Castro 11:38
Okay, so yeah, it’s tremendous versatile and tremendous highly effective. I needed to go good. It’s a very good go. So I needed to focus as a result of lately, I feel a few months in the past, you got here out with a brand new facility, which helps digital taping platforms. Inform me a bit extra about this.
Tim Astanov 12:02
Digital tipping, sure, completely. In order I discussed to you earlier, from type of transferring from conventional fintech to much less of conventional fintech. In case you have a look at the tipping world, and I feel it’s typically varies market by market, I’m going to give attention to United States for the aim of this dialog, we’re not going to boil the ocean. In case you have a look at European markets, proper, so i bye, I’ve been lucky to journey sufficient, everywhere in the world. And there are particular expectation of shoppers in addition to workers in addition to as an worker yours, how they deal with money, not money, how they deal with ideas, and and so on. I feel so the explanation why we received into it, and if you consider each movement, you could have a visitor, who reveals up on the restaurant pays the enterprise, after which that enterprise on the portion, a portion of the proceeds probably might be ideas. And people ideas should go to worker. It’s requires pull and a push, it is a describing movement of cash in and cash out. So due to how versatile the answer is, in addition to fee mediums, whether or not it’s a cash, no cash out, it was pure for us to begin supporting use case like taping. And it’s fairly complicated. Truly, there’s a tax implications, the connection, contractual relationship between a number of events and and so on. We’ve constructed just about every part we wanted to help tipping trade with a few totally different pivots and or tweaks to the platform. So it was a pure extension for us is as soon as we noticed a requirement, I feel typically there are loads of issues we will do and it’s up in house is the entire for us. And the explanation why now we have variety of partnerships, I feel we now have round a handful or really extra, in all probability a dozen or so clients it someway is embedded within the tipping movement the place it’s a buyer who points merchandise that merely given to a problem merchandise I’m speaking about consider cart that’s given to the worker and All proceeds go on to this card. We help in that exact occasion, taking cash out or present some kind of p2p performance. As soon as the cash is within the account. We help for some for some gamers, we help solely pool set consider you tapping a tool or offering your credentials to have the ability to tip and it says within the Consider logic industries. We help payout provided that you consider a restaurant who’s have already got embedded so to talk, buying relationship and a banking relationship. They take a part of that they take a billion for servicing UML let’s say it’s $100. In US I might say 15 to twenty% might be a mean 20% of the invoice must be paid out to the worker. We offer potential to worker to tug cash on demand internet and what else And we wish to make sure that we separate the enablement of groups within the first place. We’re the fee infrastructure participant. So which suggests we offer entry to all of the rails, all of all of the IT companies and every part else, and underwriting and and so on, to the to the SAS platform who in the end is embedded into the POS itself, or every other kind issue that or every other kind issue how they wish to work together with the visitor and worker. And so they’re the one who’s calculating the information and doing loads of various things on behalf of the I’m going to name it the service provider. We see it beneath the sauce platform that and we assist them to maneuver cash in Venice, quite simple matter, and supply all the alternatives to each visitors in addition to workers. Okay, so it was a pure extension.
Isabelle Castro 15:49
Yeah, no, it sounds it sounds prefer it. However I imply, once I first went to America, which was final 12 months, I used to be shocked by the tipping tradition, which coming from Europe, I imply, we do tip however not as prolifically. Is that this an space that has develop into extra vital or it’s simply stayed the identical, after which now persons are attempting to deal with it digitally?
Tim Astanov 16:20
I feel with digital funds, it turns into extra seen i since you coming from Europe otherwise you you could have a European perspective, it’s good to perceive the core, guess the basics behind how we getting paid versus how I’m going to name you is European getting paid. And if you happen to’re in a service trade, typically what you must perceive is the distinction between the 2, primarily based on my travels and my explorations is in Europe, it’s quite common to get workers even have a wage. And so they work for X quantity of hours a day during the week, or month and and so on. In the long run, the wage is definitely fairly respectable. Within the US. There’s a salaries, there isn’t any salaries, these are sometimes hourly workers, which implies that I can at present work three hours tomorrow, I can work 9 hours. And people typically don’t receives a commission as a lot as a result of there’s a tradition of partially these folks will reveal can be reimbursed by ideas. You additionally see that is my private view, barely greater and extra pleasant. I feel service ranges as a result of folks anticipate you to tip them and relying on the service you safe. It’s nearly like a pay for efficiency you anticipate to rent if you happen to love the service. And if you happen to don’t you don’t. I feel that’s why you see a considerable distinction. As a result of anytime I am going to Europe, once I depart ideas, folks don’t know what to easy methods to react. Proper. And it varies nation by nation. However in lots of international locations, I simply got here from Portugal. And it was precisely that each time you tip their faces. They only shocked that anyone left them extra cash. And I feel they’re in all probability already at this level. They know who’s American who’s not as a result of Individuals delicate. However that’s the fact. So there’s a very totally different, I’m going to name it the payroll construction that drives that. And for many who got here to United, cool come to United State, I’m an immigrant myself. My first impression was similar to you. Oh my god, I’ve to pay bulk of cash really, for the information versus not versus for the precise companies that I obtain. So sure, we do tip fairly a bit. I feel it’s a part of the tradition at this level. And the extra digitalization, you will notice digitalization of funds, we imagine that tipping will get larger and larger and larger. We additionally see migration from money to digital funds as a result of money is extraordinarily costly really to deal with and create transparency throughout the board. I don’t assume we it identical to nearly with cash, proper? We nonetheless use money. We use financial institution funds, we use automobile funds, you’re going to see the identical perhaps it’s not the identical however you’re going to proceed to see the break up of well-known in some instances money could be very acceptable in some instances isn’t however what we did see and the explanation why now we have centered on the tipping house is COVID. COVID modified every part as a result of folks don’t wish to carry money anymore. And with lack of money would we at the least anecdotal tales from SAAS platforms the citizen that labored with us the purpose round as soon as money cat money grew to become out of date at the least within the level of COVID As a result of nobody needed to hold it with them. What occurred is loads of workers received hit as a result of they have been it was substantial contribution to their to their pay. And if folks don’t care ideas and there’s no different option to tip them. It’s it’s impacts the attrition of the staff with the employer proper so folks begin to depart and search for one other The gig that truly make the cash. So there’s a robust demand for digital tipping resolution in the USA, due to the due to sample change that’s created by COVID.
Isabelle Castro 20:09
Okay, that makes a lot sense. And it seems like I imply, notably with the present financial local weather, like tipping goes to develop into increasingly more vital, proper?
Tim Astanov 20:22
Completely. For a subset of people that work in a service trade, I feel it is rather vital. And it’s I’ve been, I’ve seen a lot of stats, but it surely’s varies from 40% of your entire pay, proper might be as much as 40% might be all about ideas. In order you’ll be able to think about, if I misplaced that chance to seize these ideas, due to lack of money, or no matter it could be, and it’s a considerable discount to my paycheck, so to talk.
Isabelle Castro 20:49
You talked about transparency. I’m glad that you simply did. As a result of I seen on the highest of an internet site that there’s fairly an enormous give attention to transparency. The place does this come into play? How are you making it extra clear? Why do it’s good to make it extra clear? There’s loads of questions inside that. However why is transparency such an enormous factor?
Tim Astanov 21:13
Yeah, and transparency, I feel, issues in a few other ways. So if you happen to if you happen to as a result of we we really. And I feel it’s coming from the founders, they take pleasure in educating people on how issues work fee is extraordinarily complicated. So if you happen to have been to go to our web site, actually, a lot of the paperwork really going to be printed and open. So theoretically, you’ll be able to open a fee firm tomorrow. And you may be taught it’s a Wikipedia, so to talk of funds is definitely on our paperwork is loads of paperwork, however all of them accessible. And once more, partially, it’s all about open tradition of let’s educate people, let’s make it possible for they’re good sufficient, and let’s make sure that they utilise instruments the place that’s crucial. That’s one. The second factor as a result of we as a result of we have been traditionally servicing fintech people, it was extraordinarily vital. And have in mind, a lot of them handled the financial institution funds in United States particular primarily ACH. When the true time fee happened, it’s required to pivot and pivot and the way to consider actual time funds. As a result of I’ve by no means seen actual time funds, banks typically don’t settle for playing cards, we don’t deal with them as retailers and and so on. So loads of training needed to loads of age, we have to educate quite a bit, or we needed to educate quite a bit, all of our fintech gamers of easy methods to function and what quantity merchandise to get, and what’s mitigate frauds, and and so on, and so on. That’s one factor, the second factor as a result of we have been offering a superior and costlier rails, due to give attention to the moment, it’s all the time good default compared to Ach, which is cheaper. It’s file primarily based, and and so on. So we we not solely offering transparency round supplies and training, however we additionally present transparency round economics. So if you happen to have been to work with double pay ever, you will notice like many processors and everywhere in the world, as a matter of reality, will present you. If let’s say I’m going to choose a community, let’s say it’s visa, if we get a invoice from visa, and the invoice contains an enormous file, we are going to simplify the file for you for the needs of how you utilize visa rail, and a selected rail. That’s one, the second half we are going to do will bifurcate the prices to so that you can simply perceive what he really paying for and everyone knows interchange and visa charges. However inside any card community, there’s it’s very complicated enterprise and there are 40, we’ll shut perhaps 10 or 20 billing strains, so to talk of why you’re getting paid. So we are going to present you you paid, let’s say $1 for $100 transaction, we took that we took that $100 transaction we despatched to the community a we’ve right here’s what we paid to the community a and goes to be itemised for each penny can be counted and you will notice full transparency in value. I labored on the retailers aspect up to now. I used to be a kind of fintechs that occurred to be accepting playing cards in addition to issuing playing cards. And we may by no means inform what do you I’ve an entire view of how a lot we paid for a day or for a month. However I may by no means inform if I click on on a selected transaction. Can I inform precisely what my value was particular to that transaction? I may by no means try this. I’ve labored with a number of processors by no means try this. So high up a offered that stage of transparency and anybody who could be very centered on economics and easy methods to not solely monetize but in addition easy methods to extract value. We really present full visibility and it’s holding as I mentioned, from the commutation perspective, why is for certain product wanted however all the best way to the associated fee transparency.
Isabelle Castro 24:54
Okay. And also you talked about that earlier than that in tipping, this type of stuff. It’s fairly a posh scenario with tax and all that type of stuff. So I suppose this transparency is tremendous vital for that.
Tim Astanov 25:08
It’s sometimes house particular complicated for a number of causes, as a result of there are a number of entities concerned. It’s not sometimes if I, if I have been to help a t shirt sale store, it will be fairly simple. I’ve to offer a service to simply accept carts. And that’s just about it. And I feel a lot of the processing world is concentrated on that. And that’s the place the loads of quantity is. In a tipping house, consider I’ve a buyer who’s a tipping digital tipping platform that does all of the flunkies calculations integration, that tipping firm has to combine with a POS machine, probably, in addition to a payroll firm that help a selected enterprise, then I’ve to help the enterprise, after which I’ve to enrol all of the enterprise workers. In order that’s the place complexity is available in. As a result of they touching so many components.
Isabelle Castro 25:57
Okay. Okay. No, it sounds tremendous, tremendous complicated. How are you addressing this? It seems like an enormous job to deal with it. How particularly are you addressing it?
Tim Astanov 26:12
Yeah, so we have been lucky, as I discussed, due to flexibility of the platform, ease of integration, single API, single layer of API’s, I suppose, that you could choose and select from which one we path you wish to use, and and so on, we have been I might argue, at current there, that complexity is available in, within the US market, particularly round banking, how sure must be handled the contractual relationship between so many individuals, once you really X time take away, how do you place controls in place to make it possible for as a visitor is available in, they really taping versus shopping for one thing unlawful. And I feel that’s the place we needed to make some tweaks to have the ability to accommodate and to really feel really feel snug to have the ability to serve that market, we additionally had so as to add, we’ve typically rely or we typically serve massive enterprises, we needed to pivot slightly bit, for a number of causes, tipping was certainly one of them, we needed to create an underwriting engine, that truly going to take not solely I’m going to name it the sub shopper, so if you consider SAAS platform being a shopper, then on high of it, they’ve a enterprise who is definitely utilising the companies, we have to underwrite not solely the SAAS platform, but in addition the enterprise behind them. And in a typical house, particularly, it will get much more sophisticated in case of do you’re employed with the contractors or the zoom your workers, then in some instances, it’s good to prolong it over on the writing all the way down to the beneficiary of the information.
Isabelle Castro 27:37
Okay, yeah, I did see some time to get there. Yeah, it sounds okay. Once you set all of it out like this, it sounds thoughts boggling. I did see on the type of define of the tipping product that you simply supply finish to finish, KYB KYC KYC on final useful house owners. In order that’s all type of built-in into that.
Tim Astanov 28:04
It’s it’s so it’s a bit I feel now we have extra work to do in improvement to verify it’s completely streamline, we’re type of studying as properly in the meanwhile. However I think in six months or so now we have loads of gifted individuals who engaged on this resolution goes to be utterly streamlined in and from a consumer expertise perspective. And we needed to create loads of fancy as you’ll be able to think about, with touching very delicate data. We’ve been touching delicate data for years now. Card quantity, I might argue very delicate, however that once you begin speaking social safety numbers and authorities IDs, and and so on, it will get slightly bit tougher. So we needed to create a bunch of obstacles to make it possible for FDA can see solely one thing NCB can solely see one thing how can we cope with the privateness elements of it and and so on.
Isabelle Castro 28:52
Okay, yeah, no, that sounds you’re the consultants. I’m glad that you simply’re doing it in six months looks like a small period of time to undergo all of these items and give you options.
Tim Astanov 29:07
These issues will change. Proper? It relies upon vertical by vertical. I feel the tipping is could be very complicated. And I feel it’s very sometimes people began with let’s crawl earlier than we run. I feel we type of soar into working straight away. And now every part can be simple after this one. Each different vertical we have been considering not considering. We’re powering at present as an infrastructure layer to pay details. Now we consider it as one other worth add companies we will allow. Or we will get ourself within the good recreation if we if we determined to sooner or later sooner or later.
Isabelle Castro 29:38
Okay, cool. Properly, I’m wanting ahead to seeing what you guys come out with. So we’ve come to the tip of the like, main into the primary questions. So I’ve solely received a pair extra questions sadly. My first one is what’s a bit of recommendation that you simply’ve been given that you’d give to another person? This This may be profession oriented. This may be private. No matter you want.
Tim Astanov 30:09
Attention-grabbing. Let’s persist with profession. I feel certainly one of my advisors up to now mentioned one thing loads of people for fee trade or every other enterprise, at the least in the USA, we’re capitalists, of capitalists. It’s all about cash. We work to get cash we work to to earn more cash. Smart advisor informed me as soon as cash is a secondary factor, give attention to what you do get actually good at it, the cash will come. That in all probability could be my, my sense. My suggestion to anyone who’s beginning a brand new profession or really desirous about easy methods to make extra, it’s once more, double down on what you’re good at, and double all the way down to get significantly better at it. And cash will come.
Isabelle Castro 30:54
Okay, cool. I like that. That’s nearly like a life recommendation type of factor. I’m gonna inform my teenage brother that the curveball query. Okay. I picked this at random at present. Inform me about one thing in your bucket checklist. What’s it? And why is it there?
Tim Astanov 31:17
Oh, properly, I can’t checklist I’ve fairly just a few issues. However let me provide you with one thing totally different. I suppose. i It depends upon my monetary properly being. And I’ve two youngsters in all probability have one other 10 years to go. So earlier than they out of the home. However as soon as that occurred, if I’m financially impartial sufficient, I’d like to take a few years off and and do a sailboat trip around the globe. If if I’m not fairly there, or there are different 300 million the reason why can not depart for a few years. I might like to take I’m going to name it a sabbatical for 3 or 4 months and journey the international locations I haven’t been to.
Isabelle Castro 31:57
Okay, are there loads of international locations is that this quite a bit that it’s important to go into? Is that this
Tim Astanov 32:03
massive? The checklist is massive. So if there’s 100, I’m going to ballpark it proper now for you. If there are lots of round 185 or 90 international locations on the planet, I don’t really know precise quantity. Let’s assume that I’ve been at about 50. Okay. So the delta is sort of massive. The fact is, relying on age in a number of multitude of different issues. In case you minimize off 20% As a result of it’s unsafe, for no matter purpose, perhaps I’d wish to cowl the remainder of it. And backpack is completely positive with me.
Isabelle Castro 32:37
Good. I like this. Okay, properly, I hope you do that as a result of it sounds tremendous enjoyable. Yeah, fingers crossed. That’s the tip of the interview. Thanks a lot for approaching the present. I actually loved our dialog. I’m certain our listeners may have loved it as properly. And have an awesome remainder of your day.
Tim Astanov 33:02
Thanks for reaching out and have a pleasant remainder of your night.
Isabelle Castro
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