Final month at Fintech Nexus USA in New York Metropolis we introduced that Fintech Nexus has acquired Fintech Blueprint, one of many main fintech newsletters. It’s led by Lex Sokolin, who is likely one of the nice thinkers in our area, so I used the chance of being collectively in individual to file an interview.
The most recent episode of the Fintech One-on-One podcast is a dialogue with Lex Sokolin (I final had him on the present two years in the past) recorded within the podcast theater on the occasion. Whereas we contact on the acquisition of Fintech Blueprint, many of the episode is spent discussing lots of the hottest fintech subjects of the day.
On this podcast you’ll be taught:
- An outline of his Fintech Blueprint e-newsletter
- Why he agreed to the partnership with Fintech Nexus.
- Among the broader platform shifts he’s monitoring at this time in fintech.
- How Lex views decentralized finance within the context of at this time’s risk-off setting.
- The 2 methods which are bringing conventional finance and crypto collectively.
- His views on the federal government crackdown on crypto.
- The completely different regulatory climates within the US, UK, and Europe.
- How decentralized finance would possibly influence the funds panorama.
- His imaginative and prescient for self-driving cash and the function AI will play.
- The applied sciences Lex is taking a look at most carefully over the subsequent two to 3 years.
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FINTECH ONE-ON-ONE PODCAST – LEX SOKOLIN
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Peter Renton: So, we’re persevering with our sequence of podcasts that have been recorded at Fintech Nexus USA in New York Metropolis in Could and this time it’s Lex Sokolin who’s the Founding father of Fintech Blueprint, he additionally works at ConsenSys. We cowl quite a lot of territory on this dialogue. We speak concerning the acquisition of Fintech Nexus – acquired Fintech Blueprint not too long ago, we speak about quite a lot of completely different fintech subjects, we speak about DeFi, we speak about AI, we speak about funds, self-driving cash, actually cowl a few of the hottest subjects of the day. Lex is likely one of the nice thinkers in all of fintech so I feel you’re going to actually take pleasure in this episode.
Welcome, Lex, again to the Fintech One-on-One podcast recorded stay right here at Fintech Nexus USA. How are you doing at this time?
Lex Sokolin: I’m doing unbelievable, thanks a lot for having me.
Peter: Okay. So, I wish to kick it off by sharing just a little bit about our partnership, we introduced it on stage yesterday that Fintech Nexus has acquired Fintech Blueprint, the e-newsletter, so perhaps I suppose describe the e-newsletter just a little bit and inform us about what led to this partnership.
Lex: Completely. So, the Fintech Blueprint is a e-newsletter that covers the core of fintech subjects, began taking a look at issues like Robo-Advisors, neobanks, digital lending, funds expertise, issues of that nature after which we began protection of the big platform shifts. And so, you understand, again in 2017/2018 it wasn’t apparent, however issues like Synthetic Intelligence, blockchain and digital belongings augmented in digital actuality, we began asking questions for the way do these rising themes work together with monetary providers not on their very own, you understand, like how nice is it that Fb has the Oculus or, you understand, how Chinese language tech goes to take over Western tech, however, particularly, how all this impacts monetary providers. And we’ve actually constructed out a data-driven, analytical-focused e-newsletter that’s actually resonated with various audiences, so one viewers that has actually loved the e-newsletter are entrepreneurs and builders.
So, we see lots of people who’re constructing firms, whether or not they’re fintech tasks, whether or not they’re Decentralized Finance tasks or in the event that they’re operators and doing digital transformation at massive banks, the type of serious about technique to play on this planet and in order that’s one viewers. One other viewers is buyers so how do making a decision inside a strategic context of the macro economic system and the expertise evolution, how do you make it a choice on what to wager on as a result of it’s fuzzy and ridiculous and there’s bizarre capital markets interactions.
And so, we’ve had quite a lot of success in attracting consideration and engagement with our materials and, you understand, the Fintech Nexus neighborhood we’ve been pleasant with for fairly some time for a few years and beloved the footprint of each the occasions and the engagement in addition to the digital footprint and the kind of engagement that you’ve together with your readers and your neighborhood. And so, one of many issues that basically attracted me to this partnership is determining, you understand, how can we do extra for Blueprint, how can we deepen what we do for individuals, how can we open up their skills to construct firms or to take a position higher in a stay tangible approach and that for me is a giant driver of what we’re attempting to do collectively.
Peter: Proper. We’re so enthusiastic about what this partnership can convey, however I don’t wish to dwell on that, I actually wish to get into a few of the most fascinating subjects of the day and perhaps we will begin with, I imply, you talked about platform shifts in quite a lot of the content material that you simply do, that you simply put out is specializing in this motion away from the standard approach of doing finance right into a extra digital, extra real-time approach so perhaps simply begin with what are a few of the broader themes that you simply’re seeing in that shift.
Lex: Yeah. So, yesterday in our dialog on stage, you understand, I type of began speaking concerning the present scenario which is clearly very difficult for firms and for individuals everywhere in the world. And so, it may be just a little bit tough to inform the science fiction story of what’s going to occur sooner or later when so many firms are struggling for money circulation when valuations, fintech valuations, are down, you understand, from 20 or 50 instances income to 2 instances income even when fundamentals are nonetheless good and so it’s a troublesome place from which to inform the story.
However on the identical time, I feel that quite a lot of that problem is kind of mechanical within the sense that you’ve the macro economic system, you will have the challenges to it, you will have the response to these challenges by way of rate of interest coverage, you understand, inflation is lastly turning down, there’s an opportunity of recession and buyers are nonetheless making ready for that. So, it’s a tough setting, however it’s form of, there’s nothing basic to me about being on the backside of a cycle, cycles are all the time a part of the journey.
However on the elemental aspect there are issues which are taking place which are, I imply, simply profoundly superb and whether or not that’s the financial structure of decentralized networks, you understand, the power to run software program at scale on open supply rails for any asset class, now seeing issues like layer 2’s connected to blockchains so we’ve throughput that was promised years in the past we will execute actual software program or whether or not that’s the influence of generative AI on information labor and the power to automate human judgment and combine that into massive language fashions. I feel this stuff are profoundly altering what an individual is ready to produce and the way that may occur.
And so, these are the sorts of platform shifts I’m speaking about, however it’s not going to remove from the truth that finance is important and that, you understand, it’s type of an emergent sample of the economic system the place individuals all the time must pay, they’ll all the time must financial institution and to lend and underwrite and tackle threat, insure issues after which kind capital by way of the capital markets and make investments by way of funding and asset administration. And so, for me, the query is how do you keep grounded within the realities of precise monetary providers demand, however then pay shut and respectful consideration to what the very progressive fringe of expertise is bringing.
Peter: Proper. I wish to dig into a few these issues there. So, perhaps we will begin with Decentralized Finance. You recognize, within the fintech area there’s been form of a shifting away from embracing something that has form of a crypto-type part to it and you understand, this might be short-term, hopefully it’s so far as from the fintech area. However I’d like to get your perspective on, you understand, clearly nothing’s modified within the underlying expertise, actually, it retains creating, proper, it retains getting extra absolutely featured and extra issues that you are able to do with it. However I’m interested by what…..so once you look the Decentralized Finance space itself so perhaps we will begin there and say what’s completely different, or what is healthier and the way are you serious about this area now in comparison with, you understand, over a 12 months in the past earlier than the any of the crypto blowups occurred?
Lex: Yeah. So, I feel the primary is to say that the crypto blowups, to me they’re not crypto blowups, they’re a fairly interconnected monetary disaster throughout every part. So, it’s completely true that there are issues in crypto that grew to become uncovered because of going from a risk-on setting the place cash may be very low cost and there’s quite a lot of it, you understand, the place valuations for tech firms are at sky excessive and the place the expectations of the long run are very optimistic, you understand, as a result of rates of interest are low, you’re not discounting these expectations, you’re treating them as in the event that they’re as useful virtually as what you will have at this time.
Going from that setting to a risk-off setting the place you will have a 5% checking account rate of interest basically, you understand, on each individual’s iPhone the place it’s trivial to earn 5% curiosity and in that transition various issues grew to become uncovered and broke. Uncovered in a way that low cost cash chasing alternatives receded, it left and with out the subsequent financing or with out the subsequent set of buyers a few of the form of pyramid buildings that we’ve, each within the crypto ecosystem in addition to within the American banking system, grew to become obvious, fragile and fell aside. So, you understand, when you look particularly at crypto, you will have a set of occasions that created a liquidation cascade beginning with the collapse of Terra Luna then spilling over into Celsius and Three Arrows Capital, you understand, firms and asset managers that have been levered up and uncovered to that occasion.
These firms couldn’t have raised capital, they couldn’t cowl, proper, as a result of once more it was a risk-off setting and that continued to open up the malfeasance of FTX. FTX wouldn’t be within the scenario that they have been in if they might have fundraised, or they might plug the outlet however they didn’t and in order that uncovered once more form of the poor habits and threat administration of their custodial actions and so forth and so forth. I imply, a really related story might be advised concerning the collapse in American banking, you understand, ensuing from a really fast rise in rates of interest and making a financial institution run as a result of the banks owned treasuries and mortgage-backed securities, like probably the most safe issues the American authorities prints. The American authorities prints {dollars} which go into shopper accounts, which go into the banks which the banks spend money on American treasuries after which the banks are seized by the US authorities so, you understand, these pyramids are all over the place.
Anyway, I’m occurring and on, however I feel the purpose is that quite a lot of hypothesis within the crypto ecosystem was washed out and now what stays is quite a lot of concentrate on infrastructure. And as I had talked about, the promise of what Ethereum and Web3 and adjoining networks, that promise that was made again in 2015/2017 with proof of stake so an ESG-friendly community that doesn’t use Bitcoin mining sort operations, the promise that was made a few transaction throughput so processing, having the ability to course of as many transactions as a big card community like a Visa or a Mastercard, this stuff are in place. I imply, Ethereum has staking, staking each withdraw and deposit, Ethereum has many roll ups, the roll ups are processing hundreds of thousands of transactions, and so I feel the infrastructure is prepared for type of the subsequent era of purposes.
Peter: Okay. So then, it’s prepared however it’s not being adopted now by mainstream finance, what must convey it into that forefront, what must be achieved to…..every part has been constructed, what you’ve described, clearly that’s quite a lot of work that has been achieved during the last, I imply, a number of years, however clearly the US authorities is simply making it very tough for any US fintech or financial institution or crypto firm to actually function. So, how are we going to…….I imply, clearly, it might occur offshore, I suppose, however how are we going to convey what has been constructed into conventional finance, how are we going to convey these two programs collectively?
Lex: So, these are my private views, simply to begin off.
Peter: For certain, yeah.
Lex: So, the very first thing is that there are two methods, there are two ways in which monetary firms have tried to have interaction with blockchain themes, the primary is to save lots of prices. I’ve a portfolio administration system or a core banking system or, you understand, a fee community and if I solely I changed this factor with a blockchain, or with a DLT then I’ll save 30% on my value as a result of I’m mutualizing infrastructure trade prices and, you understand, we’ll have a greater enterprise because of this. And so, you will have enterprise blockchains, you will have personal consortia, you now have digital belongings launched a sequence with a bunch of banks and R3 in a previous era had achieved the identical and in order that’s one route. I feel CBDCs might be type of lumped into that as effectively as a result of they’re enterprise infrastructure.
Then the opposite route is income, proper, so I wish to supply……there’s demand from customers and maybe some companies for the crypto asset class, and I wish to supply the asset class as a dealer or a distributor or a lender to individuals who wish to personal it, who wish to have interaction with it, proper. And so, earlier than all of the current collapse, like when you checked out issues like PayPal or Sq., CashApp and so forth, SoFi, you’ll see them integrating crypto buying and selling and crypto entry into their core choices utilizing Paxos or different firms. So, these two instructions are very completely different of their nature and I feel they’re additionally cyclical so when crypto is widespread, you understand, when Bitcoin was widespread all people’s there to commerce Bitcoin after which when that collapsed is, in fact, no person desires that, we simply need blockchain, blockchain enterprise, after which once you understand truly no person desires to purchase your safety token choices of no matter it’s, laundromats in Malaysia, which you could’t promote to your excessive internet value shoppers then it pivots again out.
After which you will have DeFis and NFTS and on-chain and OpenSea and celebrities speaking about Bored Apes and when that crashes we’re again into the enterprise world, proper. So, now it’s authorities chains and KYCs, Layer 2’s and so forth and so forth so I feel it’s a pendulum swing backwards and forwards. It’s significantly egregious in the USA within the second by way of the regulatory local weather, each within the banking regulators in addition to the securities regulators appear to have flipped their prior positions very explicitly, like in literal phrases contradicting their prior positions and that’s leading to good firms discovering pathways to depart the United Sates which I feel is totally insane.
I imply, Web3 is denominated within the greenback, the USD is the forex of Web3 and, you understand, the US is below assault on most expertise fronts by different international actors, you understand, the AI warfare with China, identical factor with semi-conductors and so forth. So, it’s absurd to me that you’d throw the child out with the bathtub water when the reward of an open-source decentralized internet denominated within the greenback has been given to you, however I feel it’s a political second and political moments go, and so we’ll simply must proceed to see the way it performs out.
Peter: Proper, proper. I don’t understand it you caught Caitlin Lengthy this morning on the keynote stage, she was speaking about…… she was in London simply earlier this month speaking with one of many Massive 4 accounting companies, or consulting companies, that she spoke with at an inside occasion for them they usually constructed a Layer 2, Ethereum Layer 2 that they wished to assist promote and open public blockchain, they usually wish to mainly get the US concerned with it as effectively.
However it looks as if, that is clearly the Massive 4 accounting companies are all US-based, however this can be a UK subsidiary or department of that that has actually wished to do that they usually’re wanting to construct it within the UK. I imply, you reside in London, what’s it like there now in comparison with what it’s like right here, it feels just like the UK is way more open than the US at this time.
Lex: I feel it’s a good assertion for all of Europe and the current regulation popping out of Europe, MiCA, which is concentrated on digital belongings and centered on digital belongings by taking the structure of the expertise at face worth, you understand, like not making an attempt to shoehorn prior regulation onto issues that merely don’t have that form. You recognize, it’s as if we mentioned you possibly can’t settle equities electronically as a result of we don’t see the place the papyrus is, you understand, the scribe on the temple appears to not be current. And so, as a result of we’ve not mentioned the holy phrases and signed the factor with our quills, we will’t settle it on this fancy computer systems which are made by criminals and hacksters as a result of why would you want a pc when you possibly can simply speak to an individual stay.
It’s absurd madness, I imply, it has no sense in any respect able of refusing to grasp how a factor works once you attempt to make guidelines about it and I feel that’s how the US is coming off. Whereas the protections and the outcomes that you simply wish to regulate in opposition to which is, you understand, detrimental experiences for customers, capital loss, fraud, these outcomes on a precept’s foundation are completely vital and must be protected in opposition to. However it’s a must to do it in such a approach as to grasp just like the invention of blockchain, the way it works, what its objective is earlier than you attempt to, once more, type of shoehorn legacy on high of it.
So, I feel within the UK, the banking sector is much more cooperative with startups as a result of, you understand, it’s not as massive because the American economic system and so there’s extra incentive to cooperate, there’s extra incentive to do issues collectively in a smaller market, however the UK additionally has a lean in the direction of enterprise. I feel it’s an extended path and the one approach by way of goes to be negotiating rules by way of the assorted political processes that we’ve, you understand, together with Coinbase going to court docket. I feel that’s a constructive improvement as a result of we’ve three branches of presidency and all of them must be invoked to get to final result right here.
Peter: Proper. Earlier than we transfer on from Decentralized Finance, I wish to speak particularly about funds as a result of that’s an space that there’s an enormous quantity of innovation taking place proper now, each in, you understand, the blockchain area and outdoors the blockchain area, however I‘m interested by it. There’s a lot waste and expense constructed into conventional funds, it feels prefer it’s inevitable that it’s going to go away. What’s your imaginative and prescient for the way a fee system will function when Decentralized Finance takes type of heart stage in that realm?
Lex: Yeah. I feel it’s a really exhausting query and other people have varied ranges of experience round funds. I feel from my perspective, it’s vital to see that there are a lot of fee programs working on a regular basis so once you get into an Uber, you don’t count on to provide the Uber driver money, you possibly can’t, your money is with out worth to the Uber driver, you may be kicked out of the automobile, your money has no good right here, it’s the mistaken fee rail. Equally, when you’re sitting in entrance of your laptop and attempting to swipe your plastic card in your monitor, you’re a loopy individual (Peter laughs) and so let’s convey the identical logic to decentralized rails, like if you would like a fee processor that works in DeFi, it is advisable to use a expertise that’s constructed on the identical rails because the monetary providers with which you’re interacting.
And so, I feel the excellent news is that blockchain networks are funds rails themselves, their core functionality is to maneuver worth round for a charge that clears out there. The harder query is to say, you understand, how do you get issues into that specific venue, what are the on-ramps, what are the off-ramps, how do you get issues on, how do you get issues off. And by the way in which, this can be a international fee rail so each nation has the identical alternative to make use of it and naturally, no nation has the identical fee rules or expectations, you understand, so you will have limitless variety of completely different on-ramps and off-ramps.
I feel Stripe only recently launched an on-ramp into crypto so you possibly can go from Stripe straight into Web3, I don’t keep in mind if it’s by way of shopping for Ethereum or shopping for USDC, however, you understand, I feel the connectors between the Web fee processors and gateways and Web3 are the primary ones to be constructed as a result of these are, at the least, digital nations that talk related languages, not the identical languages. I feel the subsequent problem goes to be round large tech firms so taking a look at Apple and Samsung and Google and so forth that each one have a strategic curiosity of their digital pockets that’s not a crypto pockets, proper, and it’s not a neobank however it’s wrapper for conventional monetary providers.
And so, I feel there’s additionally a rigidity, we’ve talked about consideration about finance and crypto, however there’s a rigidity between large tech because it exists at this time in its Web2 format of enormous, centralized firms with large promoting income bases, there’s a rigidity between that and the imaginative and prescient that Web3 brings which is way more individual centered. So, for every individual, it’s their knowledge, they custody their knowledge, it’s their cash, they custody their cash and firms don’t get to entry it, firms don’t get to carry it in your behalf, it’s non-custodial.
And so, I feel it’ll be additionally a problem to see how Web3-based funds work together with, you understand, the big distributors, the large tech firms. As for Mastercard and Visa and the opposite card networks, their positioning is that they’re the community of networks and so to plug-in one more community may be very, very pure. So, for anyone that’s API first or technological first, Visa, Mastercard, Plaid, Stripe, firms of that nature, not that it’s trivial, however I feel it’s very adjoining to their technique to incorporate one more rail which is how they’d take a look at computational blockchains.
Peter: Proper, proper, okay. I wish to change gears just a little bit and speak about AI. I wish to return to one thing you mentioned in your panel yesterday, you have been speaking about self-driving cash and I’d like to type of get the way you suppose AI, and there’s been quite a lot of speak at this occasion about AI and likewise together with our opening keynote, Marco Argenti from Goldman Sachs had some actually fascinating issues to say, however in relation to finance and, you understand, you have been one of many panelists there yesterday, we don’t make superb selections with our cash, we’re not very good about it and having an AI assistant for this might find yourself being very useful. Inform us just a little bit about your imaginative and prescient there in relation to automated assist with our cash.
Lex: Yeah. That is additionally a very tough query as a result of AI might be utilized in any a part of monetary providers, whether or not it’s distribution within the entrance which is type of what we’re speaking about after we speak about, you understand, monetary advisors or financial institution branches or interactions or speaking to Amazon Echo in pure language, that’s the distribution of monetary providers or whether or not we’re speaking about AI within the manufacturing half. So, we’re all acquainted during the last decade with machine studying and aspect up underwriting, proper, and so determining dangers may be very cyclistical and there’s a number of machine studying that’s been utilized to that and within the capital markets round buying and selling or market making.
There’s tons of machine studying purposes there and, in fact, within the center and between the again and the entrance workplace there are issues like big fraud programs, like catching malfeasance and there’s a number of fascinating firms which have a machine intelligence footprint to deal at scale with form of onboarding and KYC and issues of that nature. However what’s occurring that’s fascinating now, for my part, is that we’ve had a profound breakthrough in basically the Turing take a look at so the power of a machine intelligence to seem human to the typical individual. This has occurred in different components of AI the place machine imaginative and prescient, for instance, 5 years in the past grew to become higher than human imaginative and prescient in recognizing objects as individuals would, proper.
So, you will have 100 individuals take a look at photos of cats, 96 individuals get all of the cats proper, 4 individuals get it mistaken, that’s type of the, you understand, some cat could be fluffy in a specific approach that appears like a Corgi, I don’t know. After which machine imaginative and prescient acquired ok that it’s pretty much as good as 97 individuals getting the cats proper, you understand, and that was superb however it wasn’t apparent to some people who that’s actually scary, you understand, {that a} human sense is healthier carried out by a math algorithm or a math algorithm is ready to match mathematically round a human sense to generate the identical final result as an organ or as a mind perform.
And so, massive language fashions which we’ve now, LLMs, are doing the identical factor however for speech era that seems to us to hold some form of human rational sample, proper, and that sample is derived from the info set of the complete Web. So, the billions of phrases of the Web that we’re continuously including to are feeding the arithmetic that are being match round what seems to be to us like considering, it’s not precise considering however it seems to suppose, you understand. So, the way in which LLMs work is they only predict the subsequent phrase in a string primarily based on the chances of all of the phrases within the English language relating to one another primarily based on this corpus of the Web.
So, it’s not like a person human mind, it’s just like the brains of all humanity with a math algorithm on high that’s attempting to copy what the typical case can be after which you possibly can play with the completely different parameters to make it extra inventive, much less inventive and so forth. So, bringing that again to monetary providers, I feel, you understand, the primary level is there’s simply going to be uncooked financial influence so in the way in which that industrial robots displaced quite a lot of bodily work, machine intelligence robots will displace quite a lot of mental work. Creativity and empathy aren’t going to, it doesn’t matter, we’ve a math equation that does creativity and empathy now and in order that’s going to trigger extreme financial problem.
I imply, proper now, we’ve IBM firing 8,000 individuals saying we’re simply going to exchange this with the mathematics algorithm that does what you do. I feel robotic course of automation firms like UiPath as soon as they’ve built-in and plugged on this functionality will annihilate the again places of work of many, many firms. You recognize, in case your job is to determine tips on how to take the details and enter it into the core banking system and decide on whether or not it’s actual or not, prefer it’s not going to occur.
So, coping with that financial hit is one factor that finance might take into consideration, proper, what are the options for common earnings, what are the options for lending for people who find themselves out of labor. I imply, these are monetary issues they usually’re going to, for certain, combine with authorities options in the way in which that you simply had throughout COVID, a number of funds to small companies to guard the small companies from disappearing, you understand, governments are going to be compelled to cope with the financial influence of LLMs.
The opposite form of extra slim reply is form of the function of the human-to-human interplay within the supply of monetary providers. About 10 years in the past, perhaps 15, we began to see Robo-Advisors and neobanks and people firms took the mechanistic a part of what banks and funding managers do, you understand, make an asset allocation, make an underwriting determination, put it right into a software program and made it self-service. These interfaces are, you understand, they’re laptop interfaces, they’re not like speaking to an empathetic person who cares about you, they’re simply buttons. Effectively, now, as a substitute of buttons you will have empathy on demand, you will have creativity on demand, and it may be hyper customized to each single particular person primarily based on their search intent, primarily based on their Web footprint, no matter you want.
And so, I feel for lots of the distribution a part of the trade, for my part, we’re simply going to see the big language fashions turn out to be the place the place individuals purchase monetary providers from, they’re simply going to get recommendation from it, we’re going to have all these AI buddies that give us all types of recommendation and monetary recommendation will simply be one of many options that they’ve.
Peter: Okay. So, perhaps we will shut with, you understand, you’ve painted some fascinating photos right here at this time, perhaps give us your type of, like your optimistic view or perhaps simply your view, it doesn’t must be optimistic, I suppose, of what are probably the most form of impactful applied sciences taking place proper now which are going to actually …you possibly can see in two to 3 years issues are going to be very completely different. What are you taking a look at most carefully?
Lex: I really feel just like the stuff that I gave you is type of it, you understand, I feel the big language fashions are one, it’s exhausting to inform precisely the influence however I count on they are going to have an outsize influence in the way in which that the cell phone had created the cell Web. I feel the AI interfaces will create a very new form of substrate by way of how we work together with issues. After which on the Web3 aspect, I feel we’re going to wish to counteract a few of this large-scale machine intelligence stuff, like I feel we’re going to wish issues to provide us again the power to personal digital belongings and digital objects, proper, as a result of AI is type of the acute finish level of social media and limitless Web content material.
If you happen to begin at a degree the place you need every part to be free and funded by promoting, you find yourself with AI as a result of you will have created all this content material and you then feed it right into a content material creator that then infinitely can create free content material, proper, and if we let that run, you’re going to have some very bizarre outcomes. So, I feel that what Web3 provides which is to say okay, on this digital world there are literally some issues I personal, you understand, like these robots that I’m coaching, I don’t need Microsoft to host them on their servers, it’s icky for Microsoft to have a digital twin of me that has all my log-ins, that’s managing my cash and that may communicate utilizing my voice, I don’t like that.
I don’t need Microsoft or definitely, you understand, Zuckerberg, I don’t need him to have it or TikTok, proper, and when you suppose I’m playing around, once more, open up your iPhone and make investments by way of Goldman Sachs by way of your Apple account. So, if we don’t need that to be the case, you’ve acquired to take management of your personal robots and the one approach that that exists at this time is thru blockchain structure the place you will have an account, you will have your pockets, you will have perhaps some NFT that’s representing your AI agent and so I feel these items will will begin to work together. You recognize, it’s exhausting to be exact with it as a result of it’s so science fiction however on the identical time, these applied sciences are right here at this time and that’s the place the enterprise funding goes.
Peter: Okay. We’ll have to depart it there, Lex, that’s fascinating, you introduced up some very thought-provoking issues there. Thanks for becoming a member of me right here at Fintech Nexus at this time.
Lex: Thanks for having me.
Peter: Okay, see you.
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